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PostSubject: NFE Tier.   Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:39 pm

Uber:
Chansey
Dusclops
Magneton
Munchlax
Porygon2
Scyther
Vigoroth
Wynaut


OU:
Bronzor
Clamperl
Cranidos
Croconaw
Diglett
Dragonair
Electabuzz
Gabite
Gligar
Golbat
Grotle
Grovyle
Haunter
Kadabra
Lairon
Machoke
Magmar
Marshtomp
Metang
Misdreavus
Monferno
Murkrow
Nosepass
Piloswine
Poliwhirl
Pupitar
Rhydon
Seadra
Shelgon
Sneasel
Staravia
Tangela
Togetic


BL:
Aipom
Bayleef
Bidoof
Charmeleon
Clefairy
Combusken
Duskull
Elekid
Gastly
Graveler
Lickitung
Lileep
Mantyke
Numel
Porygon
Roselia
Sealeo
Staryu
Trapinch
Wartortle
Weepinbell
Yanma


UU:
Abra
Anorith
Aron
Bagon
Baltoy
Barboach
Beldum
Bonsly
Budew
Buizel
Buneary
Cacnea
Carvanha
Charmander
Chikorita
Chimchar
Chinchou
Chingling
Corphish
Croagunk
Cubone
Doduo
Dratini
Drifloon
Drowzee
Eevee
Ekans
Electrike
Exeggcute
Finneon
Flaaffy
Geodude
Gible
Glameow
Gloom
Goldeen
Grimer
Growlithe
Gulpin
Hippopotas
Happiny
Hoothoot
Horsea
Houndour
Ivysaur
Jigglypuff
Kabuto
Kirlia
Koffing
Krabby
Larvitar
Lombre
Loudred
Luxio
Machop
Magby
Magnemite
Makuhita
Mankey
Marill
Meditite
Meowth
Mime Jr.
Mudkip
Natu
Nidorina
Nidorino
Nincada
Nuzleaf
Omanyte
Onix
Phanpy
Pidgeotto
Pikachu
Pineco
Poliwag
Ponyta
Prinplup
Psyduck
Quilava
Rattata
Remoraid
Rhyhorn
Riolu
Sandshrew
Seel
Shellder
Shellos
Shieldon
Shroomish
Shuppet
Skiploom
Skitty
Skorupi
Slowpoke
Slugma
Smoochum
Snorunt
Snover
Snubbull
Spearow
Spoink
Stunky
Surskit
Swablu
Swinub
Taillow
Teddiursa
Tentacool
Totodile
Treecko
Venonat
Vibrava
Voltorb
Vulpix
Wailmer
Wingull
Wooper
Zigzagoon


NU:
Azurill
Bellsprout
Bulbasaur
Burmy
Cascoon
Caterpie
Cherubi
Combee
Cyndaquil
Feebas
Happiny
Hoppip
Igglybuff
Kakuna
Kricketot
Ledyba
Lotad
Magikarp
Mareep
Metapod
Nidoran-F
Nidoran-M
Oddish
Paras
Pichu
Pidgey
Piplup
Poochyena
Ralts
Seedot
Sentret
Shinx
Silcoon
Slakoth
Spheal
Spinarak
Squirtle
Starly
Sunkern
Togepi
Torchic
Turtwig
Tyrogue
Weedle
Whismur
Wurmple
Zubat


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PostSubject: Re: NFE Tier.   Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:55 pm

......Most of these make no sense. Trapinch Uber?? Pikachu Uber? xDD

I have a tier listing on my site that you could just use....
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PostSubject: Re: NFE Tier.   Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:37 pm

I just copied and pasted the list from someother site. Feel free to explain who should switch tiers and why. Here is my guess for those two...note I don't play NFE...so I don't have the experience to confirm/deny these but get me calcs to show they can be handled by others and I'll move it.

Trapinch is the best Revenge Killer in NFE, without a question. Arena Trap + Choice Band + 100 Base Attack(in NFE is tied for the 4th highest) then either Quick Attack if its in the KO Range or make sure you can take the Steels/Rocks/Ghost you can pack a Choice Banded EQ or Crunch for x2. It's base Attack is 20 base points higher than Dugtrio so should be a better Revenge Killer in NFE than Dugtrio is in standard.

I have seen Pikachu in standard so I can defend him for Uber of the NFE game. Pikachu is tied for 12th strongest NFE in the game. Not to mention Light Ball to boost it's Special Attack. It does 36.3% - 43.3% while Timid and Light Ball to max S.Def./HP Duskclops which is the highest Special Defense in the NFE Metagame. The second Highest is Mantyke who is OHKO'd. Third is Togetic who takes 76.4% - 90.4% which is OHKO'd if you get Rocks up. Then is Tentacool who takes 87.3% - 103.5%. Heaven forbit you run Nasty Plot. It should OHKO the entire NFE Meta Game aside from Duskslops(who is Uber on this list), Chansey(Uber for NFE), and maybe some Electric Types who should be OHKO'd by HP(Ground).

Trapinch I could see being handled in OU but I fully support Pikachu for Uber. Actually...other than Trapinch the rest of the Ubers seem fine as is.

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PostSubject: Re: NFE Tier.   Sat Oct 09, 2010 8:45 pm

Monkey wrote:
Trapinch is the best Revenge Killer in NFE, without a question. Arena Trap + Choice Band + 100 Base Attack(in NFE is tied for the 4th highest) then either Quick Attack if its in the KO Range or make sure you can take the Steels/Rocks/Ghost you can pack a Choice Banded EQ or Crunch for x2. It's base Attack is 20 base points higher than Dugtrio so should be a better Revenge Killer in NFE than Dugtrio is in standard.

Trapinch is NOT the best revenger, and it never will be. It's true that it has base 100 Attack, but at the cost of almost NO Speed, and very low defenses. It's basically setup fodder once it takes down one foe. ScarfChoke, Sneasel, Metang and Kadabra all trump it at reveng-killing. Lemme put a few calcs.

Adamant Choice Band Trapinch's Quick Attack vs 0 / 0 Machoke - 25.98% - 30.96%
Adamant Choice Band Trapinch's Earthquake vs 0 / 0 Machoke - 96.44% - 113.52%
(Machoke never runs 0 / 0, anyway)
Adamant Choice Band Trapinch's Quick Attack vs 0 / 0 Sneasel - 38.65% - 45.82%

Either Trapinch uses THAT against Sneasel, or this happens:

Jolly Life Orb Sneasel's Ice Punch vs 252 / 4 Trapinch - 161.9% - 191.84%

I'll go on.

Adamant Choice Band Trapinch's Earthquake vs 132 / 0 Piloswine - 72.46% - 85.29%
Adamant Choice Band Trapinch's Crunch vs 0 / 0 Gligar - 42.44% - 50.18%
Adamant Choice Band Trapinch's Earthquake vs 0 / 0 Grotle - 87.97% - 104.12%
(Grotle outspeeds and can always OHKO with Seed Bomb)
Adamant Choice Band Trapinch's Earthquake vs 252 / 0 Marshtomp - 87.5% - 103.2%

On the defensive. This will assume 252 HP / 4 Defense for Trapinch

vs Timid 252 Sp Atk Life Orb Electabuzz's HP Ice - 101.36% - 119.73%
vs neutral 0 Sp Atk Marshtomp's Surf - 112.24% - 132.65%
vs neutral 0 Sp Atk Life Orb Tangela's Energy Ball - 142.86% - 168.03%
vs CB Croconaw's Aqua Jet - 91.84% - 108.16% (an 87% chance of a KO with SR)

Champion Monkey wrote:
I have seen Pikachu in standard so I can defend him for Uber of the NFE game. Pikachu is tied for 12th strongest NFE in the game. Not to mention Light Ball to boost it's Special Attack. It does 36.3% - 43.3% while Timid and Light Ball to max S.Def./HP Duskclops which is the highest Special Defense in the NFE Metagame. The second Highest is Mantyke who is OHKO'd. Third is Togetic who takes 76.4% - 90.4% which is OHKO'd if you get Rocks up. Then is Tentacool who takes 87.3% - 103.5%. Heaven forbit you run Nasty Plot. It should OHKO the entire NFE Meta Game aside from Duskslops(who is Uber on this list), Chansey(Uber for NFE), and maybe some Electric Types who should be OHKO'd by HP(Ground).

Pikachu with Light Ball IS broken, I agree. But without it, it cannot stand up to OU NFE very well. OU NFE is an extremely offensive metagame, and Pikachu will very rarely find a chance to use Nasty Plot, and even if it did, the most common OU NFE threats, Magmar, Electabuzz, Sneasel, Kadabra and Haunter, still outspeed it (not to mention any Scarfed Pokemon). I can tell you now that Pikachu is not surviving an attack from any of those Pokemon.

I've been playing NFE for about 3 years now, and I've battled with both Pikachu and Trapinch. Trapinch is not a sweeper, but a tool to revenge kill ONE Pokemon on the foe's team who threatens the rest of your entire team; its Speed and defenses make it horrible set-up fodder, and it is very easily OHKOed. Pikachu without a Light Ball cannot stand up to OU NFE unless a very good amount of team support is used; any prepared OU NFE team can easily take Pikachu down.
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PostSubject: Re: NFE Tier.   Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:47 pm

Fair enough. I'll steal your list of NFE Tiers because you clearly have the experience of the game on your side. Pikachu seems to be one of those things that work well on paper but don't work as well in the battle. Making a jizz load of custom sets for standard OU I tend to hit that problem alot. Lol. If someone questions the list I can direct them to you. Better than some random site I can't recall the URL of. Lol. Thanks for the updates on NFE.

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