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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:29 pm

How many people honestly run that set? @ Chax
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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:05 pm

That's the point. Its okay to have a whole team of OUs if the set is unique
Latios @ hagan berry/Lagging Tail
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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:08 pm

Machamp @ lagging tail

Close Combat
Protect (?)
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Deals with those darn psychics dark types and stalls
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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:54 pm

azelf's explosion kills latias
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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:01 pm

The only problem there is no one is willing to sacrfice an azelf for a latias

Or what if latias uses protect
Or what if its not ohko and latias uses recover

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Swords dance if single battle then explosion


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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:20 pm

Chaxx ! No triple post !
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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:40 pm

Oh sorry realy sorry I forgot about that
Demerits?
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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:54 am

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azelf's explosion kills latias
92% - 108.5% on my Physically Defencive Latias(vs the standard SR lead), so you either need SR up BEFORE Latias comes in or hope that the RNG goes in your favor. Of course LO or CB are a OHKO...but the "Great Wall" Lugia set is OHKO'd by the LO Azelf, Support Groudon is OHKO'd by the LO Explosion, heck, Groudon(the second Defence in Ubers) with Max Defence and Max HP and a +Def. nature takes 98.5% - 116.1% from the LO Azelf. That's with Azelf with only 40 Att. EVs and a neutral nature for Attack. 116.1% - 136.6% on a Max Def. and Max HP Groundon is it's a 252 Att. neutral nature for Attack and a LO Explosion. You standard Spikes Deoxys(highest Def. in Ubers) takes 120.4% - 141.8% from the 40 Attack EV's LO +Speed natured Azelf. Max Def. and Max HP with a +Def nature on the highest Def. in ubers, Deoxys-D, takes 98.7% - 116.1% from the LO Azelf with 40 Att. EVs and +Speed nature. Going to the Highest HP in Ubers, the 40 Att. EVs and +Speed nature with a LO deals 99.8% - 117.5% to a Max HP and Max Def. Fett. Standard is OHKO'd by it. Heck, Arceus takes 83.3% - 98.2% from the Azelf with Max HP and Def. As of now, however, Arceus can only get 100 EVs per stat...so for him to take the Azelf Explosion, he needs to be a hack.
So if Latias is in OU because it can't take the LO Explosion from Azelf? Then you need Fett, Deoxys-D, Lugia, and 90% of the Ubers in OU.

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again monkey latias can't have both recover and refresh on its set to be successful, so if it has refresh there isn't a problem cause it won't be able to recover the damage from pokes like scizor and ttar. and if it has recover it won't survive toxic stall.
JLA, Physically Defensive, with Recover, Refresh, and 2 damaging attacks isn't a bad idea. Granted it's walled by a Special Wall...but you'll be in a long ass stall war then. Lets say you decide not to run Refresh, ok your Toxic weak. Lets get a Toxic off on Deoxys-D. His standard sets can't help it. Fett...weak to Toxic. According to your theory, even Arceus would be weak to Toxic Stalling because Recover + Refresh fails. Lets run Sub and Recover on Arceus. Oh wait, it can only have 2 Physical Attacks now...just like Latias, so according to JLA's theory, it fails. My final point on the Toxic Stall discussion will be one word. Rest.

When saying "Latias can't do such and such." remember how many Ubers can.

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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:56 pm

gawd damnit monkey u always have good points lol
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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:59 pm

Monkey, you are isolating one specific set that no one uses, and taking that as your single piece of evidence to further your point? What true substance, if any, is in your argument, furthering the GENERAL use of latias in the metagame? You have so far neglected points of the most common scarf and calm mind sets, the ones that are selling points of Latias staying in OU. Excuse the term, but you are making buffoon of yourself talking about this defensive latias you seems to adore so much.
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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:12 pm

No one uses? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obMeDrw2vMA <---8 months ago it was on YT already.
Secondly, I adore the Physically Bulky Latias in OU so much, because the OU game is becoming more and more Physical than Special. All the Smogon sets make Latias more Special, witch all work fine and dandy in the Ubers game which is more Specially than Physical.
Thirdly, excuse me for thinking outside the box. Because kids like you don't know how to think of your own sets and you make a pokemon weaker, does that make the pokemon any weaker? So because I proved Latias is just as good as an uber, but the set isn't a Smogon one, does that make Latias any weaker? Because Latias can counter many, if not all, of it's OU weaknesses by just using your brain as opposed to a website, does that mean it doesn't count as countering your weakness?
If a pokemon is uber or not should be dependent on what the pokemon is capable of...not limited to what people use it for.

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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:20 pm

In similar fashion, Latias is easily countered in an OU battle. Give this so called latias to ALL member of chimchar except me, keep it a secret from me, and I will beat it along with the team it's in. That is a challenge.
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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:43 am

---Mind-, thatls a stupid challenge you will never win. Recover, Refresh, Dragon Claw, and Thunderbolt is perfect. You can survive the ever so common Toxic--Protect strategy and have full health, and you take care of Salamence, Dragonite,Gyrados,etc. Remember my n00b triple posts? Give that Hagan Berry to Latias and you're on for a roll. Think. I can agree some Pokemon (AHEM Wobufett COUGH Snorlax) can't go without one or 2 of the same moves, but Latias? Just because it isn't Calm Mind, Recover, Dragon Claw/Outrage, Flamethrower/Thunderbolt doesn't mean it sucks.
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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:42 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:52 am

Wow, this discussion is very heated . . . ( I've only read a few parts XD )

My position is that Latias is wasted if you try to use it in the UBER teir. I've tried both offensive and defensive sets in OU and am almost always sucessful. But any time I try to do anything in the UBER tier with Latias I fail completely. (Maybe because I've had almost 0 exp. in that tier)

I like having Latias in OU for now. I say that this should be left alone for now (stay OU) but re-look it after the Release of Gen 5. See how Latias fits into the system then, not now.

At least thats what I say if anyone cares what I think . . .

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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:56 am

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Wow, this discussion is very heated . . . ( I've only read a few parts XD )

My position is that Latias is wasted if you try to use it in the UBER teir. I've tried both offensive and defensive sets in OU and am almost always sucessful. But any time I try to do anything in the UBER tier with Latias I fail completely. (Maybe because I've had almost 0 exp. in that tier)

I like having Latias in OU for now. I say that this should be left alone for now (stay OU) but re-look it after the Release of Gen 5. See how Latias fits into the system then, not now.

At least thats what I say if anyone cares what I think . . .

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lol varment ur only like a month late with ur view on latias, but great quote bubba . Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:08 am

Lol, yeah I never looked at when the last post was. It said I had never read it so I assumed it was new . . . XD

I'm still confused though, what is the verdict?
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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:29 pm

Latias belongs in OU. It does shit in Uber, thanks alot to Darkrai, Lugia, Rayquaza, Latios, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Mewtwo, Kyogre and any other Ice Beamer or Shadow Baller or Dragon Clawer or Draco Metoer-er.
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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:55 pm

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Latias belongs in OU. It does shit in Uber, thanks alot to Darkrai, Lugia, Rayquaza, Latios, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Mewtwo, Kyogre and any other Ice Beamer or Shadow Baller or Dragon Clawer or Draco Metoer-er.

FAIL it's called Soul Dew and she can make it in ubers.
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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:56 pm

Yeah, Soul Dew is an option . . . But its also practically your only option for Latias when she's put into the Uber game. You know that anybody with any intelligence at all wold have a Soul Dew set, so it makes it easy to predict what to do. in OU Latias has much more versititility (spelling?) and is a lot harder to counter.

Nips is right, Latias can make it in Ubers, but I think it is more useful in OU.
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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:46 pm

well ofc im right well partially red is just too noobish to realize what certain pokemon are capable of
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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:42 pm

Yeah thats what I meant, back when I posted that, it works in Ubers but it is outclassed and predicted and Mewtwo outclasses it in Uber but Latias outclasses Pory-Z, Alakazam, Celebi, and Jolteon in OU.
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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:01 pm

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Yeah thats what I meant, back when I posted that, it works in Ubers but it is outclassed and predicted and Mewtwo outclasses it in Uber but Latias outclasses Pory-Z, Alakazam, Celebi, and Jolteon in OU.

zam is fail
pory is ok

but anyways mewtwo and latias each have pros and cons and no mewtwo doesnt outclass latias cause latias gets soul dew which is a free calm mind it helps a lot and latias has a much bigger move pool that you think
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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:41 am

I don't think that Red gets it . . .

And anyway, look at those pokemon that supposedly "outclass" Latias. Of course they are good special attackers, but take a look at the defence on most of them. One thing to day to you Red: OHKO.

What I like to do is make an OU Latias Timid, give it the EV's in Speed and SpA. Then its natural bulkiness makes it more well rounded then those others you mentioned.

Also I like the Dragon STAB boost that Latias gets, another reason that those other pokes can't compete with Latias. Latias also has better recovery and can be made as a pretty bulky sweeper.

(I know that Celebi isn't bad for some of this stuff, I'm just saying a few reasons why Red is wrong for the most part)
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PostSubject: Re: Latias   Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:23 pm

or you can have latias with all special attack and special defense and calm mind like crazy she already has a nice speed stat and has recovery move and after 2 calm minds ppl just kill themselves lol
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