Pokemon Of The Month, July 2010

Name:Empoleon

Diamond/Pearl Sprite

Platinum/Heart Gold/Soul Silver Sprite

Back Sprite

Type: Steel/Water


Weak To:
Fighting-x2
Ground-x2
Electric-x2

Resists To:
Normal-x.5
Flying-x.5
Rock-x.5
Bug-x.5
Ghost-x.5
Steel-x.25
Water-x.5
Psychic-x.5
Ice-x.25
Dragon-x.5
Dark-x.5

Immune To:
Poison-x0

Neutral Damage:
Fire-x1
Grass-x1

Moves:
By Level

• -- Tackle
  
• -- Growl
  
• -- Bubble
  
• 11 Swords Dance
  
• 15 Peck
  
• 16 Metal Claw
  
• 19 Swagger (DP)
  
• 19 BubbleBeam (PtHG/SS)
  
• 24 BubbleBeam (DP)
  
• 24 Swagger (PtHGSS)
  
• 28 Fury Attack
  
• 33 Brine
  
• 36 Aqua Jet
  
• 39 Whirlpool
  
• 46 Mist
  
• 52 Drill
  
• 59 Hydro Pump

By TM/HM:

• TM03 Water Pulse
  
• TM05 Roar
  
• TM06 Toxic
  
• TM07 Hail
  
• TM10 Hidden Power
  
• TM13 Ice Beam
  
• TM14 Blizzard
  
• TM15 Hyper Beam
  
• TM17 Protect
  
• TM18 Rain Dance
  
• TM21 Frustration
  
• TM26 Earthquake
  
• TM27 Return
  
• TM28 Dig
  
• TM31 Brick Break
  
• TM32 Double Team
  
• TM39 Rock Tomb
  
• TM40 Aerial Ace
  
• TM42 Facade
  
• TM43 Secret Power
  
• TM44 Rest
  
• TM45 Attract
  
• TM47 Steel Wing
  
• TM55 Brine
  
• TM56 Fling
  
• TM58 Endure
  
• TM65 Shadow Claw
  
• TM68 Giga Impact
  
• TM72 Avalanche
  
• TM75 Swords Dance
  
• TM76 Stealth Rock
  
• TM78 Captivate
  
• TM80 Rock Slide
  
• TM82 Sleep Talk
  
• TM83 Natural Gift
  
• TM86 Grass Knot
  
• TM87 Swagger
  
• TM88 Pluck
  
• TM90 Substitute
  
• TM91 Flash Cannon
  
• HM01 Cut
  
• HM03 Surf
  
• HM04 Strength
  
• HM05 Defog (DPPt)
  
• HM05 Whirlpool (HGSS)
  
• HM06 Rock Smash
  
• HM07 Waterfall
  
• HM08 Rock Climb

By Tutor:

• Dive (Pt HG/SS)
  
• Fury Cutter (Pt HG/SS)
  
• Headbutt (HG/SS)
  
• Hydro Cannon (DPPt HG/SS)
  
• Icy Wind (Pt HG/SS)
  
• Iron Defense (Pt HG/SS)
  
• Knock Off (Pt HG/SS)
  
• Mud-Slap (Pt HG/SS)
  
• Snore (Pt HG/SS)
  
• Signal Beam (Pt HG/SS)

Gender Ratio: 87.5% Male 12.5% Female

Colour: Blue

Abilities: Torrent

EV Yield: 3 Sp. A

Egg Group: Water and Ground

Evolution Tree: --Lv. 16--> --Lv. 36-->

Stats:

Stat	Base	Min-	Min	Max	Max+
HP	84	-	309	372	-
Att.	86	187	208	271	298
Def.	88	190	212	275	302
Sp. A.	111	232	258	321	353
Sp. D.	101	214	238	301	331
Speed	60	140	156	219	240

Pokéthlon Stats:
Speed-3/3 Stars
Skill-3/3 Stars
Jump-3/4 Stars
Power-3/5 Stars
Stamina-4/5 Stars
Total-16/20 Stars

Favorite Sets:
Monkey's Favorite Set:
Empoleon-Modest @Pataya Berry
-Subsitute
-Agility
-Surf
-Ice Beam
EV's-24 Def., 252 Sp. Att., 232 Speed

Nips Favorite Set:
Empoleon @ Petaya Berry
Modest
IV's 30 HP
24 Def / 252 SpA / 232 Spe
Agility
Substitute
Surf
Grass Knot

Swaqmanbz's Favorite Set:
Empolean@Life Orb
Modest
Moveset
~ Surf / Hydro Pump
~ Ice Beam
~ Grass Knot
~ Agility
EVS
24 HP / 252 SpA / 232 Spe

Slow's Set:
Empoleon-calm-lefties
surf
roar
stealth rock
grass knot
evs: 252 HP/162 DEF/90 SPDEF/4 SPEED

Monk's Set:
Adamant-252 atk 252 spd salac

SD, aqua jet, waterfall, EQ

Dev's Set:
Empoleon @ Leftovers/Chesto Berry
Calm Nature
EVs : 252 HP/ 182 SpD / 72 Defense
Iron Defense
Surf
Roar
Toxic / Rest


If there are any move sets you would like to post feel free to do so.



-Ryan

Empoleon @ Petaya Berry
Modest
IV's 30 HP
24 Def / 252 SpA / 232 Spe
Agility
Substitute
Surf
Grass Knot

Empolean@Life Orb
Modest
Moveset
~ Surf / Hydro Pump
~ Ice Beam
~ Grass Knot
~ Agility


EVS
24 HP / 252 SpA / 232 Spe



yeah i use that sometiems cuz nobody expects it and they try and plan on u usin the sub ,then u own them

Why I believe Empoleon fails:

On Shoddy Battles, Empoleon has got to be one of the top 3 common leads I see. It is helpless to Roserade. Empoleon does not have enough speed to be an effective lead, if you were to ask me, it is easy to set up against then KO with Leaf Storm.

That's only my 2 cents though..

g_raham wrote:

Why I believe Empoleon fails:

On Shoddy Battles, Empoleon has got to be one of the top 3 common leads I see. It is helpless to Roserade. Empoleon does not have enough speed to be an effective lead, if you were to ask me, it is easy to set up against then KO with Leaf Storm.

That's only my 2 cents though..

No offense, but that statement was my far one of the worse I heard in a while. Do damage calculations before you speak. An Empoleon with no EV's in HP or Special Defense will live a Max Special Attack Leaf Storm from Roserade (even though most people prefer max Speed over Special Attack). As for the speed issue. I have a minimum Speed Dragonite lead that does quite fine. Look at all of the Bronzong, Swampert, Metagross and Hippowdon are great slow leads. Now onto the next note, Empoleon is a better late game sweeper with the set I provided above. Agility Sub Petaya Berry, Allows it to out speed most things get in free hits and have a massive Special Attack. Just because you don't like one set doesn't mean the pokemon sucks. Now onto Roserade, bring an Ambipom. Fake Out, Roserade Flinches. Taunt, Sleep Powder is useless. U-Turn, Roserade should be close to being KO'd(too lazy for calculoations).

Prof. O Mighty Nips wrote:

No offense, but that statement was my far one of the worse I heard in a while. Do damage calculations before you speak. An Empoleon with no EV's in HP or Special Defense will live a Max Special Attack Leaf Storm from Roserade (even though most people prefer max Speed over Special Attack). As for the speed issue. I have a minimum Speed Dragonite lead that does quite fine. Look at all of the Bronzong, Swampert, Metagross and Hippowdon are great slow leads. Now onto the next note, Empoleon is a better late game sweeper with the set I provided above. Agility Sub Petaya Berry, Allows it to out speed most things get in free hits and have a massive Special Attack. Just because you don't like one set doesn't mean the pokemon sucks. Now onto Roserade, bring an Ambipom. Fake Out, Roserade Flinches. Taunt, Sleep Powder is useless. U-Turn, Roserade should be close to being KO'd(too lazy for calculoations).

Mr. Know It All? Haha chill out, I'm only saying that in my opinion, it is not a solid pokemon.. and honestly, if a common tauter or somebody who obviously has Fake Out is on the field, then just bring out the Ninjask and start Baton Passing till you can sweep with a Marowak or something of that sort. Chill out, I'm not saying that it is an awful pokemon, just, with my experiences against it, it has never done anything amazing or outstanding. Ever.

g_raham wrote:

if a common tauter or somebody who obviously has Fake Out is on the field, then just bring out the Ninjask and start Baton Passing

That's a poor counter to Taunt/Fake Out. Ninjask would get fairly low on HP due to Fake Out(KO'd on a SR before he comes back in from switching out) or completely screwed over due to a Taunt. Also note that Taunt stops you from using Baton Pass.
ANYWHO this should be sticking on track with Empoleon. No pokemon is perfect, but Empoleon can get some sweeps off after an Agility or two.

Monkey

Champion Monkey wrote:

That's a poor counter to Taunt/Fake Out. Ninjask would get fairly low on HP due to Fake Out(KO'd on a SR before he comes back in from switching out) or completely screwed over due to a Taunt. Also note that Taunt stops you from using Baton Pass.
ANYWHO this should be sticking on track with Empoleon. No pokemon is perfect, but Empoleon can get some sweeps off after an Agility or two.

Monkey

I think you get what I'm trying to say though, it would be simple to just switch out if something like this were to happen, Ninjask was just a random pokemon to named and obviously was not the best one to pick.

You get the point though.

And yes to stick to the Empoleon talk, he just isn't as powerful as he is made out to be, IN MY OPINION.

Prof. O Mighty Nips wrote:

No offense, but that statement was my far one of the worse I heard in a while. Do damage calculations before you speak. An Empoleon with no EV's in HP or Special Defense will live a Max Special Attack Leaf Storm from Roserade (even though most people prefer max Speed over Special Attack). As for the speed issue. I have a minimum Speed Dragonite lead that does quite fine. Look at all of the Bronzong, Swampert, Metagross and Hippowdon are great slow leads. Now onto the next note, Empoleon is a better late game sweeper with the set I provided above. Agility Sub Petaya Berry, Allows it to out speed most things get in free hits and have a massive Special Attack. Just because you don't like one set doesn't mean the pokemon sucks. Now onto Roserade, bring an Ambipom. Fake Out, Roserade Flinches. Taunt, Sleep Powder is useless. U-Turn, Roserade should be close to being KO'd(too lazy for calculoations).

g-raham wrote:

Mr. Know It All? Haha chill out, I'm only saying that in my opinion, it is not a solid pokemon.. and honestly, if a common tauter or somebody who obviously has Fake Out is on the field, then just bring out the Ninjask and start Baton Passing till you can sweep with a Marowak or something of that sort. Chill out, I'm not saying that it is an awful pokemon, just, with my experiences against it, it has never done anything amazing or outstanding. Ever.

Ok, bring the Ninjask out, it gets taunted right away and it gets screwed over because it will die if you try to keep it in and wait out the taunt. Plus, taunt kills Baton Pass chains.


Empoleon is really bulky, being able to use Agility along with its decent Special Attack it can easily get a kill or two.

Chill, you know what I meant. You can switch out to a pokemon, if you actually read the previous posts then you would have no point in commenting just there. It is the post literally right above yours.

lrn2read

Yeah, don't worry I know what happened but I posted this a while ago and I guess it never showed up until now?

Lol guys calm down, everyone is entitled to their opinions and their experiences xD

Nips took my favorite set but heres another one i'd might use:

Empoleon-calm-lefties
surf
roar
stealth rock
grass knot
evs: 252 HP/162 DEF/90 SPDEF/4 SPEED

I thought this would be interesting since he can set up SR and then roar through pokemon to get some damage or to kill any sashs. Might be annoying. Plus empoleon can resist a lot....though this set can be taken out pretty easily lol.

Adamant-252 atk 252 spd salac

SD, aqua jet, waterfall, EQ

Empoleon @ Leftovers/Chesto Berry
Calm Nature
EVs : 252 HP/ 182 SpD / 72 Defense
Iron Defense
Surf
Roar
Toxic / Rest