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Should Deoxys-Speed be moved to the Uber Tier?
Yes
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No
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PostSubject: Chimchar Forums Election: Should Deoxys-S be uber?   Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:20 pm

A coupe of weeks ago, smogon.com decided to move Deoxys Speed Form to the Uber tier. Smogon's decisions is
kind of official, but I have noticed that several big forums has decided to ignore this. That's why I think we
on Chimchar Forums should decide if Deoxys Speed should be uber on this forum.


If you decide to post on this topic, please dont post what you voted, but why you voted that in more than 2 sentences. Please keep this topic SPAM-free.


Why Deoxys Speed should be uber:
Since Deoxys-Speed is so freaking fast, it always gets to attack first.
Deoxys-S has a sick movepool. Period.
It's stats is decent distributed.
The only reason why Deoxys Speed was moved to OU in the first place, was to get a decent Garchomp counter

Why Deoxys-S should not be uber:
It's offencive stats are not good enough to be considered uber.
When it's paralyzed, its pretty much useless.
It has many OU counters like Spiritomb and Bronzong.

Smogon.com wrote:
In the overused environment, Deoxys-S can force any team into submission. Its gigantic movepool and decently distributed stats allow him to easily abuse any strategy that you plan to use him for, provided that you are not using Choice sets. What separates him from many special sweepers is that he's fast, and that doesn't mean Porygon-Z fast; it means with base Speed of 180. His real power is hitting super effectively and attacking first, but he is still vulnerable if he tries to hit healthy Pokemon that aren't weak to his attacks. He can easily become a sick sweeper or even stall opponents out with little effort. Despite some of the negatives given to him, Deoxys-S is an excellent consideration to an overused team that gets sick of Pokemon like Gengar and Garchomp from sweeping it.

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PostSubject: Re: Chimchar Forums Election: Should Deoxys-S be uber?   Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:30 pm

Ridiculous speed with a ridiculous movepool, i would want it uber.

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PostSubject: Re: Chimchar Forums Election: Should Deoxys-S be uber?   Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:48 pm

I vote uber

Its speed it "uber" high Razz
and its movepool is CRAZY

i vote uber
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PostSubject: Re: Chimchar Forums Election: Should Deoxys-S be uber?   Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:52 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Chimchar Forums Election: Should Deoxys-S be uber?   Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:34 am

OU

Dusknoir, spiritomb, and other pokes with good def could bring deoxys down. With a bad offence dusknoir could use thunderwave or some ghost attack.

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PostSubject: Re: Chimchar Forums Election: Should Deoxys-S be uber?   Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:40 am

i still think that if you slap on a choice item (specs, band) it can cause too much damage.

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PostSubject: Re: Chimchar Forums Election: Should Deoxys-S be uber?   Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:43 pm

I agree Drew, or even a Focus Sash for that matter! Speed is just not to be outdone, simply impossible, movepool can cover pretty much all weaknesses plus don't you think someone who uses Deoxys-S would have a counter for it's counters? They're not retarded... it belongs there with all of it's bros/sis's whichever you think it is.
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PostSubject: Re: Chimchar Forums Election: Should Deoxys-S be uber?   Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:54 pm

Then again. There are some ways to defeat a deoxys-s...


Trickroom style!!!...Set up a good trick room, get a good punch, and with his HORRID defences...hes gone probably before the trick room is over if you have someone who has good defences on your side.

SWITCHEROO!!!! if you know hes holding a choice scarf...then make yourself hold a lagging tail or an iron ball. use switcheroo...and if you have enough base speed...you might just beable to attack first and OHKO him.


then again, this is very similar to teh garchomop case.

He deserves uber....but hes not completly uber material.
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PostSubject: Re: Chimchar Forums Election: Should Deoxys-S be uber?   Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:58 am

I don't know! I don't know!!

I just finished EVing my Deoxys! Now I can't use him, except in uber battles, and I don't like those very much, forget battling in them =P

He has good reasons to be uber and good reasons to be OU.

I can't vote on this one =(
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PostSubject: Re: Chimchar Forums Election: Should Deoxys-S be uber?   Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:49 pm

move pool+speed+choice band/specs=uber
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PostSubject: Re: Chimchar Forums Election: Should Deoxys-S be uber?   Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:13 am

i say uber but what about garchomp? we can't leave garhomp out what do we say to garchomp? i say ou because he's the onl way i can have a full monotype dragon team.

could i have admin permission to do for garchomp in a new topic what dingen has done for Deoxys-S here?
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PostSubject: Re: Chimchar Forums Election: Should Deoxys-S be uber?   Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:09 am

dang, I can't get the orange color -_-

but anyway, I voted NO! with good reosons! (I don't remember all Razz)
Deoxys isn't actually good...
the only Awsome with it, is its speed. its Attack and Sp. Attack is just as good as regular pokemons, maybe worse!
the Defence and Sp. Defence is not good either :|
so if Deoxys holds Choice Band or Choice Scarf (I realy think its a bad idea for a Deoxys to hold Scarf, but thats my opineon) or Choice Specs.
if it holds some of these, you can just send a poke with Focus Sash Smile
but serously, I think Ninjask is worse than Deoxys.... Ninjask and he's Speed Boost is UBER, why don't they just make him uber too!?

Smogon just puts some pokes at the uber list because they want to... Sad
I hate them Mad
(uhm... I don't hate them Sad sorry Smogon)
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PostSubject: Re: Chimchar Forums Election: Should Deoxys-S be uber?   Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:17 pm

Norwegianboy wrote:
Deoxys isn't actually good...
the only Awsome with it, is its speed. its Attack and Sp. Attack is just as good as regular pokemons, maybe worse!
the Defence and Sp. Defence is not good either :|

first off, his Att., Def., Spec. Att., and Spec. Def. aren't bad, their 1/2 way decent
as for moves/items/EVs i'd run an Adament one with Focus Sash, Counter, Mirror Coat, Thunder Wave, and Super Power, EV's-252 Attack, 252 Speed, and 4 HP
i'd say Uber him, top speed+1/2 decent other stats(exculding HP) is enough to be Uber

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